As for transparency

Uatschitchun · July 29, 2021, 11:37am

In the closed thread about the 5.8 update you, @cketti, told:

You’re “brainstorming”. May one ask, where this brainstorming is taking place? Can’t find anything on Github!

gogega · July 29, 2021, 11:57am

I slowly come to the conclusion, that @cketti won’t change a single bit at our demand. There is no brainstorming or second guessing.

And why should he, when he has the impression that we’re only a (loud) minority? “Der Drops ist gelutscht.”

I’m done with this. Wasting our time for nothing. Time to move on.

When the developer prefers to pander to a new audience: so be it.

Und tschüss!

Uatschitchun · July 29, 2021, 1:53pm

Ok, I’ve taken some time to get into what has happend in regards to UI changes.

There’s especially this thread on Github being very interesting:

It dates from 2015 and concerns were made from the very beginning! Putting the action bar on top was one of the critiques back then already. It even was mentioned that users will get an update some time and see their tool being ruined.
Only shortly after the issue on GH got locked by cketti and the user ocdtrekkie got banned by cketti for being skeptical as posted on the mailing list:
https://groups.google.com/g/k-9-dev/c/NwBf_iRg3p4/m/WwGo60ncXrwJ
There even were concerns mentioned on the mailing list but no one replied:
https://groups.google.com/g/k-9-mail/c/ptkurOpdyi4/m/sUiEoMIBE10J

I’ve searched the ML but wasn’t able to find anything discussing UI changes thoroughly. cketti stated from the beginning that he wants K-9 to become like Gmail.

In this thread

github.com/k9mail/k-9

Material Design rework concept by @juliakorbut

opened 03:59PM - 18 May 15 UTC

closed 05:53PM - 28 Feb 19 UTC

jancborchardt

enhancement

So @cketti found the awesome concept for a K-9 rework using Material Design by @…juliakorbut at http://julia.io/works/k-9/index.html ![](http://julia.io/works/k-9/images/k9_01.png) (Only one of the screens, see the [website](http://julia.io/works/k-9/index.html) for everything.) Except for a few things this is a great analysis and design. @juliakorbut would be great if you could chime in since you are the original author! :) - (from @cketti) We should not be using tabs for the main folders because it would clash with using swipe for displaying the actions https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/623 – the folders are good in the sidebar as shown in a later screen - On the second screen, the actions are both on top and on the bottom – that’s a bit strange. They should only be in one place. - The the actions on the bottom take up a lot of space on the bottom – We can just put the »New message« button in the header, next to the search icon. - (from @cketti) I kind of like how the Gmail app puts the 'reply', 'reply all' and 'forward' actions at the end of the message. For that to be useful, we need to collapse the quoted text by default, though. - On the compose screen, the »Sign« and »Encrypt« takes up a lot of vertical space. Maybe we should put it on the right of the subject field line as a lock icon, with a dropdown exposing these options? Otherwise the textarea is barely visible (as seen in the screenshot) @juliakorbut @cketti what do you think? cc @AMDG2 because you’re working on the Material Design rework https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/599. And @vt0r who was involved in the discussion. Let’s make this real! :rocket: :)

it was even suggested to go and ask the user base, what they love K-9 for, but that idea was completely bombed away! ;(

I recommend everyone to go and read on your own.

I even do hope that this thread/post won’t get deleted! Thx

gogega · July 29, 2021, 2:04pm

Well, as I already said: Material Design many years too late. Function follows design. Push to refresh overengineered into the last corners. K9-experience FUBARed.

FireMail, here I’m …

hgdrn · July 29, 2021, 2:07pm

Thanks for this, ocdtrekkie has been knowing it ever since 2015, unbelievable:

gogega · July 29, 2021, 2:10pm

@cketti wrote 2015:

“Given the number of users K-9 Mail has, not everyone will be happy about the change. But that’s okay. Maybe this is the time to part ways.
The nice thing about open source software is that you can take the code and make your own version. Or, if you like K-9 Mail the way it is now, all you have to do is not update.”

Ok folks, here we are now. Time to say goodbye!

Reisende soll man ziehen lassen …

Uatschitchun · July 29, 2021, 2:18pm

Dated 15.11.15

from:

github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-android

Material Design rework concept by @juliakorbut

opened 03:59PM - 18 May 15 UTC

closed 05:53PM - 28 Feb 19 UTC

jancborchardt

enhancement

So @cketti found the awesome concept for a K-9 rework using Material Design by @…juliakorbut at http://julia.io/works/k-9/index.html ![](http://julia.io/works/k-9/images/k9_01.png) (Only one of the screens, see the [website](http://julia.io/works/k-9/index.html) for everything.) Except for a few things this is a great analysis and design. @juliakorbut would be great if you could chime in since you are the original author! :) - (from @cketti) We should not be using tabs for the main folders because it would clash with using swipe for displaying the actions https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/623 – the folders are good in the sidebar as shown in a later screen - On the second screen, the actions are both on top and on the bottom – that’s a bit strange. They should only be in one place. - The the actions on the bottom take up a lot of space on the bottom – We can just put the »New message« button in the header, next to the search icon. - (from @cketti) I kind of like how the Gmail app puts the 'reply', 'reply all' and 'forward' actions at the end of the message. For that to be useful, we need to collapse the quoted text by default, though. - On the compose screen, the »Sign« and »Encrypt« takes up a lot of vertical space. Maybe we should put it on the right of the subject field line as a lock icon, with a dropdown exposing these options? Otherwise the textarea is barely visible (as seen in the screenshot) @juliakorbut @cketti what do you think? cc @AMDG2 because you’re working on the Material Design rework https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/599. And @vt0r who was involved in the discussion. Let’s make this real! :rocket: :)